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Round Up November 2021


Round up is the monthly show on The Recruiting Future Podcast channel that highlights episodes you may have missed and gives you my take on some of the key learnings from the guests.

Episodes mentioned in this Round Up:

Ep 386: Future Talent Acquisition Trends

Ep 387: Assessment Innovation

Ep 388: Candidates In Control

Ep 389: Automated Sourcing

Ep 390: Strategic AI

Ep 391: Scaling Hiring At Speed

Ep 392: Leveraging Recruiting Technology

Ep 393: Hiring From Marginalised Groups

Ep 394: Lessons From Startups

Ep 395: The Challenges Of Recruiting Recruiters

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Matt Alder (1m 43s):
Hi everyone. This is Matt Alder. Welcome to the November Roundup episode of the Recruiting Future Podcast. If you’ve not listened to Round Up before, it’s a short review of the episodes that I’ve published in the last month to make sure you don’t miss out on the valuable insights my guests are sharing. In early December 2014, I decided to commit to producing a regular podcast, which I launched in mid-January 2015. Seven years later, I’ve just found out that Recruiting Future is now an award-winning show after receiving a Silver Davey Award in America for podcast excellence. A huge thank you to everyone who supported me in my podcasting journey and special thanks to Evergreen Podcasts for entering the show for an award.

Matt Alder (2m 31s):
Obviously, a podcast is nothing without its listeners. So, thank you all for taking the time to listen to the show. One other important ingredient of recruiting feature is my guests. And we’ve had a very strong line-up during the month of November. As I say, in pretty much every interview on the podcast, predicting the future accurately is impossible. However, identifying and tracking the trends that will shape the future is not just possible it’s essential that any kind of strategic approach to talent acquisition. It’s very clear that we’re at the start of a new phase in the evolution of recruiting and understanding where we are heading has never been more critical.

Matt Alder (3m 12s):
My guest for episode 386 was Kevin Wheeler, Founder of the Future of Talent Institute. I’ve known Kevin for over a decade now, which is long enough to understand just how skilled he is identifying the trends that matter. This was a wide-ranging conversation, and we discussed everything from the structure of talent acquisition as a function to internal mobility and recruiting automation. Over the last couple of years, I’ve become fascinated by the level of innovation in the tools available to assess candidates in the recruiting process. While there are a growing number of impressive technologies and techniques up to this point, it’s actually been quite challenging to get solid case study evidence of effectiveness.

Matt Alder (3m 58s):
My guest on episode 387 has recently run a case study-based award process for Assessment Innovation that provides the evidence of adoption and success that we’ve been looking for. Netherlands based consultant, Bas van de Haterd has been on the podcast a few times, showcasing new thinking and assessment. And in this conversation, he talked through five very different case studies of Assessment Innovation in action. Challenging telemarketers and the increasing adoption of AI driven technology, a driving a revolution in recruiting. We’re now seeing recruiting automation happening in many different ways, and it’s becoming very clear that talent acquisition is changing forever.

Matt Alder (4m 44s):
So how can employers use AI and automation technology to benefit recruiters and hiring managers and radically enhance the candidate experience? To help answer these questions in a practical way, I had two brilliant guests on the show for episode 388. Rhonda Lloyd, Director of People Solutions & Recruiting at Webhelp and Barb Hyman, CEO at Predictive Hire. Lots in this conversation about enhancing recruiting, using automation and smart technology because humans can’t scale fast enough to meet demand at the moment. In episode 389, we continued the recruiting automation theme as part of my mission to provide some deep dives into the practicalities of automation with practitioners who have hands on experience.

Matt Alder (5m 32s):
This time, the topic was Automated Sourcing. And My guest Mike Smart, Global Talent Leader at Devo shared insights and advice based on his own hands on experience. Episode 390, made it three in a row for recruiting automation, with a deep dive into the strategic and practical aspects of conversational AI from Shannon Hughes Swayney, SVP of Human Resource US at Prosegur. Prosegur uses conversational AI strategically throughout their employee lifecycle and has done an enormous amount of work to ensure that it reflects their employer brand values in an authentic and helpful way.

Matt Alder (6m 13s):
One aspect of this is basing their chat bot on a real person. This is a must listen for anyone looking at implementing conversational AI in their talent attraction strategy. In today’s talent market speed is critical, but maintaining speed and quality when hiring is being scaled up is a challenge, and also a position that many employers are now finding themselves in. My guest on episode 391 was Katie Morrow, VP of People Operations at Podium. Podium is a rapidly growing business, and Katie has some great insight to share on scaling up hiring without losing speed or damaging the candidate experience.

Matt Alder (6m 56s):
So as evidenced by the discussions mentioned so far, talent acquisition is having to evolve at pace we’ve never seen before. And recruiting technology is playing a central role in enabling this transformation. However, the recruiting technology ecosystem has never been more complicated or more confusing Building an effective tech stack can be challenging. In episode 292, I was joined by a guest who has a considerable amount of advice to share on the best ways to leverage recruiting technology in the dynamic environment employers are currently operating in Ryan Dull is the Founder and CEO of Sagemark HR and an expert in pairing best fit technology, innovative process and industry best practices.

Matt Alder (7m 45s):
Moving the subject away from technology slightly, for many years, I’ve been reading about the work UK retailer Timpson Does to hire X offenders and other marginalized groups. What they do is a win-win-win situation. It’s a win for the ex-offenders who get a job. It’s a win for society as employment is a crucial part of breaking the re-offending cycle and is a win for Timpson as they get access to a large talent pool. Now more than ever, employers need to be challenging traditional policies and beliefs to think differently about hiring. With that in mind, I was absolutely delighted to welcome Darren Burns, Timpson’s National Recruitment Manager and Head of The Timpson foundation to episode 393.

Matt Alder (8m 34s):
As well as running Timpson’s own ex-offender hiring initiatives, Darren also advises other companies looking to do the same and has some unique experiences and advice to share. Even though I’ve tended to work with large enterprise businesses as a consultant, I’ve always been fascinated by startups and the lesson’s larger, more established companies can learn from them. Although the actual execution will always be different, I think there are some real insights around how smaller, more agile companies think about talent, candidate experience, and recruiting technology. My guest on episode 393 was Ben Butler, Head of People at Dublin based tech startup Evervault.

Matt Alder (9m 17s):
Ben has worked for startup and scale-up companies on both sides of the Atlantic. He has a really fresh approach to talent and some great insights. Finally, perhaps one of the most important topics for the majority of people who are listening. We’ve been talking continuously about challenging talent markets on this podcast since March. However, we’ve not so far mentioned the one specific skill shortage, which is affecting everyone. The pressure on many employers to scale up their talent acquisition functions is immense, but hiring experienced recruiters has arguably never been tougher. So, what can companies do to attract and retain experienced recruiter talent?

Matt Alder (10m 0s):
On episode 394, I spoke to Amy Schultz, Global Head of Talent Acquisition at Canva. Canva has been scaling up at speed over the last few years. And Amy has some very valuable perspectives to share on recruiter, attraction, retention, and development, as well as what we can do to raise up and celebrate the profession of talent acquisition. So we’re into the last month of the year and 2022 is just around the corner. Before we get there, though, I have some great guests coming up in December, as well as a very special 400th episode of the show. Please make sure you don’t miss out. If you haven’t already, you can subscribe to the podcast in Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, or via your podcasting app of choice.

Matt Alder (10m 47s):
Please also follow the show on Instagram. You can find us by searching for Recruiting Future. You can search all the past episodes at On that site, you can also subscribe to the mailing list to get the inside track about everything that’s coming up on the show. Thanks very much for listening. I’ll be back next time and I hope you’ll join me.

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